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Well in that case can it at least LOOK like Y2K? I threw my hat into the ring.
 
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|text=I guess I’ll show my logo concept for the CLG Rebrand because why not? I was gonna add the full name at the bottom of the logo but I didn’t know which font would look better with it so I just left it out. But other than that, if you could tell me your thoughts on my concept, that’d be nice!
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|text=ShadowNinja's version with the red/green/blue background is my favorite of those, personally. Though I also like the gold/brown version (I personally like adding a whole new color scheme to the table to further distance this wiki from Matthew's CLG clone).
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In terms of features, I also support bringing back company infoboxes.
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|text=Here is my new AVID logo idea
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A bouncy light hearted logo for all your bouncy light hearted logo needs
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|text={{quote|A bouncy light hearted logo for all your bouncy light hearted logo needs.}}
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That's kind of like a children's, classic video game kind of design.
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|text={{quote|That's kind of like a children's, classic video game kind of design.}} Is it good or bad?
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The brand name above text is low resolution, and the text beneath is aliased.
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Both logos, mine (from how I designed it) and yours are childhood/memorable logos from the 2000s.
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|text=With Kimberly font, just made a concept idea with the styling of both logo and font.
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|text=Alrighty. After multiple arguments and sacrifices, I made an updated version of my logo concept! Now you can actually read it as AVID.
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And here are some border variations. RGB and rainbow.
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|text=I like ShadowNinja and Pudsp's logo. Setri's also looks nice.
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Nothing wrong with Muzzarino's design but I feel like it won't age well IMO
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|text=Well, if everyone else is doing it...
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|text=My poorly drawn logo is made, but it'll not be here.
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|text=Here we go, my second AVID Idea.
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Made in the witless font (Same font as Spiffy Pictures), this one is a step-up from my last idea. Outlined similar to that of the DHX or WGBH logos.
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|text=Here's an updated version of my AVID logo:
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So, with Matthew, Cezar, and other admins going to leave the wiki and start there own, we might need to change this entire wiki, since they might take the CLG Wiki name with them, and will might trademark it, leaving us to not use the name.

People of CLG Wiki, think of ideas for continuing the wiki, since this wiki WILL NEVER DIE.


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The site should be renamed to the Production Logo Database (PLD). Unlike "Closing Logo Group", my suggestion is more broad and doesn't just cite this wiki as just a group full of like-minded individuals, but a community of logo enthusiasts who discover and preserve both opening and closing logos from various types of mediums. And these type of logos are centered around a type of production, developing not just movies and TV shows, but also video games, technology, among others. Additionally, this site is a database of logos around the world after all. What do you all think?

I'll might come up with other names but I'll be glad to see some of your suggestions.


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A suggestion I have is to remove the nicknames and editor's notes options and replace them with something else. Saying that in response to the closure of Qualitipedia. We do not allow any bias and opinions for what I care.

Since I have been on this version of the wiki since its beginning, I may get a promotion but who knows.


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I love Camenati's idea!


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Max1111111
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heres my idea for the future

1. Have a new Board Of Directors (BOD).

2. Rename the wiki to the Logobase Wiki (Logobase being a merge between Logo and Database)

3. Move this wiki from Mirahaze to our own MediaWiki server.

4. Have a contest for a new logo.

5. Refocus the wiki towards logo fans and have a more non-toxic community.

6. Start a YouTube channel that explains about logos, (simillar to Wikizilla).


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I agree with Camenati, perhaps Production Logo and Ident Database (PLID).

we probably need a new color theme as well. No more red, green, and blue.

And I also agree with Max's idea about our own YT channel.


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LMgamer36
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And I also agree with Max's idea about our own YT channel.

Perhaps joining the Pepsi9072/LogicSmash/Logo Archive bandwagon?


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Max1111111
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I also have a idea for lowering the age reqiurement to 12, since i am 12 myself, and also increasing our social media presence.


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LMgamer36
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I also have a idea for lowering the age reqiurement to 12, since i am 12 myself, and also increasing our social media presence.

Well I joined in this wiki when I was 12 as well. Not anymore.


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Um Max... I hope you realize that you have to be at least thirteen years old to join the wiki. We can't lower the age limit because of concerns regarding COPPA.


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Max1111111
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Wikizilla's format of video are video versions of there Articles, so we should take that approach.


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Max1111111
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Well, i will be 13 in 2023, so i will technically be a teenanger, plus, i live in Canada, and COPPA dosent exist in Canada


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Crazy Muzzarino
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Logo Database would work, but it'll need a logo change if this brand name's going into effect.


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Then I'll need to change my name lol.


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Rename the wiki to the Logobase Wiki (Logobase being a merge between Logo and Database)
Logo Database would work, but it'll need a logo change if this brand name's going into effect.

They are good names for their simplicity. However, I think simply calling that might be too broad and sounds more like an expanded version of Logopedia. The former in particular, sounds too similar to Logopedia and there's already a website called "Logobase". But that's just my opinion.

Logohub's suggestion works very well in my book. Maybe too lengthy but it's more specific, I guess.

Nevertheless, they are all concise names.


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I really like the idea of renaming to the Production Logo Database, it feels more intellectual and orderly (not to mention it suggests more than just closing logos) than the Closing Logos Group name, that plus we won't have that stink that has plagued the CLG name in recent years (y'know, people like DLC, Shadeed, Supermarty, Claster).

I disagree on the idea of there being a new board of directors though, we're still washing the sour taste of the old BoD out of our mouths. I think the ranking between leading bureaucrats and site administrators is good enough, feels modern.

Final suggestion I propose is to start a new Discord server for this wiki. The old one became Ethan's new server (and I don't have a problem with that, absolutely justified on his end), and even if we still had official affiliation with it, it'd still have five+ years of CLG drama and baggage. Having a fresh, new server and having it be extremely focused on the wiki (basically the old server without 90% of the goofing-off channels) would really help the new userbase communicate and grow.

also Max you shouldn't be on here. having a 12 year old on a site that enforces COPPA no matter what country you're in is not a good look for us


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On discord the name “Audio Visual Identity Database” (AVID) has been suggested. I like it actually. It’s modern and the acronym sums us up as a community. I kinda like the idea of an AVID YouTube channel too. It would bring us in line with the likes of TVArk and similar sites too


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LogoDatabase
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“Audio Visual Identity Database” (AVID)

I like it.


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LMgamer36
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Or a combination of the CLG and AVID names: "Closing Logo Database".


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Logohub
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AVID sounds great.

I think we should drop the "Closing Logos" moniker since this wiki is now about production logos and idents in general. During the KRS/early Wetpaint days it was mostly about closing logos, but times have changed.


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NancerCLG
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I think you guys are forgetting the obvious solution... "Company Logos Group"


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Iheartparamount
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i don't mind any of the names that have been suggested, should the editor's notes and nicknames stay or go? surely we're still allowed to list our fave logos on our profiles if we choose to?


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In my opinion, i think the both of them should go. I mean, this is a preservation site after all, and most certainly not one about opinions on company logos!


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DatuDimatablan
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I like the "AVID" name and a YouTube channel for objectively detailing the design and implementation of production logos. I can also design a new logo for AVID.


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I also have a idea for lowering the age reqiurement to 12, since i am 12 myself

British law requires Miraheze to only allow users over 13 to use the service. Whether you're Canadian, Australian, or American is irrelevant as the only law that applies to all Miraheze wikis is British law. While COPPA isn't a thing in the British system, you still must be over 13.


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Oh boy, where do I start.

"We might need to change this entire wiki, since they might take the CLG Wiki name with them, and will might trademark it, leaving us to not use the name." Maybe we could "rename the wiki to the Logobase Wiki" and "have a contest for a new logo."

If these guys can't even run a wiki properly, I don't think they can get the necessary funds to trademark ALL of the likenesses, logos and names needed. That would cost about as much as buying the original domain back, which is now up for sale, 4000 something dollars. Get it before GoDaddy gets it and does some cybersquatting shenanigans. Other than that, if they do manage to get the legal proof that they officially own all of CLG and its names and whatever, only then can we rebrand. I don't believe in scaremongering, I never did. I've been known to call people's bluffs before, and that's how I've overthrown two wiki owners over the history of a single wiki (does "Ootwar", "Dream Logos Wiki" or "Laser Pikachus" ring a bell?), so I do believe I am to be trusted with this advice.

On that note....

'"The site should be renamed to the Production Logo Database (PLD). Unlike "Closing Logo Group", my suggestion is more broad and doesn't just cite this wiki as just a group full of like-minded individuals, but a community of logo enthusiasts who discover and preserve both opening and closing logos from various types of mediums. And these type of logos are centered around a type of production, developing not just movies and TV shows, but also video games, technology, among others. Additionally, this site is a database of logos around the world after all. What do you all think?"

I like it, and it makes more sense both contextually and in grammar. But the Closing Logo Group name has been known for ages, so to simply discard it because it cites the wiki as "just a group full of like-minded individuals" sounds a little petty, to say the least. But, if we do end up rebranding (again, only if Stephen has legal proof that he owns anything related to CLG), I agree with the decision to rename it to something with the word "Database" in the name.

Moving on...

"Have a new Board of Directors (BOD)."

While I do agree with the idea of forming a centralized admin group for this wiki, I would not go with the same direction of "oh, let's just make a board of directors". What we need is a parliament, a constantly changing group of people selected by and representing the community. To keep the community here going, we could set a roadmap and select how often we should pick new members into this "parliament". Say, every year or two, we have an election and those who feel responsible enough to be admins can step up to be nominated. We do some bracket-based electing, and whoever has the most votes in the end (whether it's the final two, five, or even the finalist by itself) gets to join this new admin group. That way, we can ensure trust and interdependency between the community and the admins, and not leave the wiki to dry out with the constant infighting at the board and no community participation whatsoever.

"Refocus the wiki towards logo fans and have a more non-toxic community."

As much as I respect such ambitions, I have to warn you: kids suck. Kids are evil, they can do whatever they want and get away with very little, because they are regarded as minors. I should know, I was one. So to trust newer and younger members of the logo community to not cause toxic drama is going to be a little bit of a difficult job. Hell, this actually kind of extends to humans as a whole. We tend to cause drama for either of two reasons: one, people need to know the seriousness of a situation and also credit the dramastarter as a hero or whoever highly-regarded character they want to be seen as; and two, because they're bored and want to cause a scene. If Matthew, who's probably twenty- or thirty-something, can't help himself from spitting malicious nonsense and acting in a way that everyone disapproves, it's going to be hard to trust anyone to keep the community "non-toxic". So, my advice is this: do not just say "don't bully", specify what the bullying is, tell them about possible emotional effects on certain activities. Teach them to be sensitive.

"Start a YouTube channel that explains about logos."

I do like this plan, allow the wiki to expand its presence and bring in more people who are interested. I've even spotted Neil Cicierega talking about CLG Wiki and its sidewiki CLG Wiki Dream Logos; so this plan sounds great. However, I do have to inform you that the logo explanation format (which essentially would likely work out as Lessons in Meme Culture but for logos) is oversaturated. There are lots of people talking about logo histories, scary logos, I've even seen one read right off one of the pages in this wiki. So, a better plan would be to have a showcase channel with a little series on explaining the logos, and to gather the best people who do this stuff, into this project. They are doing this for free anyway, companies don't like it when you get to talk about something they do and make money off it on YouTube.

"A suggestion I have is to remove the nicknames and editor's notes options and replace them with something else. We do not allow any bias and opinions for what I care."

I do sort of agree, having bias in an informational database is not that good of an idea. But the nicknames, I think, are there to help as a sort-of synonym dictionary for those who do not know the exact name of either the company or the logo itself. Editor's notes, while, again, could risk bias, could serve as a notebook for additional context, like who made the logo, what special reaction it got, etc etc.

"I also have a idea for lowering the age reqiurement to 12, since i am 12 myself."

Your family is gonna be in soooo much trouble with the U.S. government... or the Canadian one, sure. But most internet... things are based in the U.S., so COPPA applies here as much as, say, the GDPR.

"Final suggestion I propose is to start a new Discord server for this wiki."

A close friend of mine already did (@NancerCLG). Ask about it in the... well, previously affiliated Discord server if you're still there.

"I think you guys are forgetting the obvious solution... "Company Logos Group""

You, sir, are a genius. Take my keys and screw my wife.

Alright, that's about all my comments for this thread. I hope we can come back from this nearly, if not completely, unscathed.


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Camenati
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I actually dislike the "AVID" name. It's too lengthy, complicated, and doesn't describe the purpose of this site too well. "Audiovisual" points to both sound and visual. There are many logos that have no music or sound. Not to mention it also represents electronic media, which doesn't just define film, television, and video games, but also slide-tape presentations, church services, and live theater productions, none of which aren't related to production logos. "Identity" makes the acronym feel jumbled up and just doesn't feel like a good word to describe logos. "Audiovisual", alongside "Identity", seems to focus more on electronics and what components do they have rather than logos.

I think you guys are forgetting the obvious solution... "Company Logos Group"

Meanwhile, I really like this name, even if the acronym is basically the same thing.


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Pingu
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Production Logos Wiki (PLW, pronounced Pelaw as in a suburb in Newcastle-upon-Tyne)?


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Camenati
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Production Logos Wiki (PLW, pronounced Pelaw as in a suburb in Newcastle-upon-Tyne)?

I like that name.

Should we move all of these suggestions and put them into options? This is similar to how we vote on what the future of the BoD should be with sections to support, oppose, or make comments. That way, it is easier to determine which suggestion is the most popular and agreed upon.


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I would say PLW works fine, but I was also considering 'Miraheze Logo Company' or 'Miraheze Logo Wiki'.

I'd personally have to say no on "Company Logos Group", since that abbreviates to CLG and that is obviously already taken.

As for the age-lowering, absolutely not. The United States has the COPPA act that enforces users to be 13 and older, and Britain (where Miraheze is based in) has their own similar law. While Miraheze is only covered by the British law, technically COPPA also is in effect on websites with American users or primarily centers on American users/content. I know there's logo fans out there who are younger than that, but we literally can't lower the age requirement.


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AlmightyKingPrawn
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I'm team PLW and I really oppose lowering the age limit.


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I guess you can call me the Benjamin Franklin of this wiki, because along with Snelfu, who's been around for a quite bit longer than I have, I'm one of few as far as I can remember to have been with the wiki from its earliest days, having joined about a couple of years or so after becoming a member of the CLG during the dark days of the DLC era. Or maybe Snelfu would be better befitting the "Benjamin Franklin" title? Anyway, in the likely event we have to undergo a total rebrand, I'd like to volunteer to design the new logo, no matter what the branding is ultimately.


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Hey. (This is my first post here, I don't really know the tips and tricks of this forum, be gentle please.) Here are my general two cents as a casual lurker who's been coming since the WikiFoundry days. I wouldn't say we would need to start from scratch, but rather just restructure things. Pingu's PLW suggestion for example is a really nice change, possibly could breathe some new life into the site. But for me, I feel the most important thing that this new theoretical CLG Wiki would need is just general upkeep. One of the major things I noticed was a problem, was just the general abandonment on a good chunk of pages, ones where every line of the description is just "TBA", if it even had a description, or even a video or a picture to go off of. While I understand that there are a lot of logos to cover, not everything can be done to the level of articulation of things like the major film logos. But making pages dedicated to logos with little or no actual work put into them feels pointless in the grand scheme of things. Still better than the WikiFoundry days. (insert Grampa Simpson image here) Back in my day, you had to use WikiFoundry's garbage search function to even try to find the Variation pages, and they weren't even connected to the logos they were based off of. This site's made leaps and bounds since the WikiFoundry years, but I think we shouldn't stop improving. I think the whole idea of making this site more organized and professional will really help in the long run. Please correct me if I made any inaccuracies.


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Hey. (This is my first post here, I don't really know the tips and tricks of this forum, be gentle please.) Here are my general two cents as a casual lurker who's been coming since the WikiFoundry days. I wouldn't say we would need to start from scratch, but rather just restructure things. Pingu's PLW suggestion for example is a really nice change, possibly could breathe some new life into the site. But for me, I feel the most important thing that this new theoretical CLG Wiki would need is just general upkeep. One of the major things I noticed was a problem, was just the general abandonment on a good chunk of pages, ones where every line of the description is just "TBA", if it even had a description, or even a video or a picture to go off of. While I understand that there are a lot of logos to cover, not everything can be done to the level of articulation of things like the major film logos. But making pages dedicated to logos with little or no actual work put into them feels pointless in the grand scheme of things. Still better than the WikiFoundry days. (insert Grampa Simpson image here) Back in my day, you had to use WikiFoundry's garbage search function to even try to find the Variation pages, and they weren't even connected to the logos they were based off of. This site's made leaps and bounds since the WikiFoundry years, but I think we shouldn't stop improving. I think the whole idea of making this site more organized and professional will really help in the long run. Please correct me if I made any inaccuracies.

I also support Pingu's suggestion, but which one best suits this site? A production logo database or a wiki? Since mine and Pingu's suggestions are similar with my option containing the former word.

And you're not alone about this "abandonment of pages" because this has been a serious issue for years. It should definitely be something that requires stricter guidance in this new era. Many people think creating blank pages and adding in logos without describing anything is perfectly fine when that just makes the site and the community look lazy, not to mention underwhelming its readers and editors trying to help out.


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As for the database vs wiki thing, either sound good, but wiki feels more accurate, as a database is mainly meant for hard numbers and stats, which is something of an abstract term when looking at logos.

For the latter point, hard agree. I know this community is ultra-niche, and that there aren't enough editors to be keeping up with all these logos, especially considering the expansion into tech, games, TV, etc. in the past years, and the ever-growing entertainment economy, but I'd rather this wiki have less, but more detailed pages than more, far lazier and broader ones. I think what's also needed to just keep everyone on the same page is a style guide, of sorts. Mainly because I notice certain pages having some things that others don't. For example, the Warner Bros. page has all its videos in a drop-down section for the 11th logo, but I don't really see this much else. The THX page has embedded hyperlinks for special variants, but this only happens for a couple variants on the page, as some other special THX variants are not hyperlinked, but rather grouped in with the rest of the videos. But as for the "too many pages, too little editors" problem, they do say "be the change you want to see in the world", so I want to at least make an attempt to become more active here, trying to tidy up some pages of sorts. I'm assuming the Discord server (I joined for a short while back in June) is the "former" server, going off of the drama, so I'll wait for something else before really trying to reach out to the greater community. If need be, I don't mind talking in DMs, but I'm beginning to get a little off-topic here, so I'll leave it at that.


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Pantsmode
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I'd rather this wiki have less, but more detailed pages than more, far lazier and broader ones.

Maybe... maybe we could prevent new users from creating new pages, and instead have some place to request new pages or supply pictures and description for new pages. Maybe a new part of the forum?


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Logohub
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Maybe... maybe we could prevent new users from creating new pages, and instead have some place to request new pages or supply pictures and description for new pages

This is the plan for the new draft system which I've made a thread about it already. Hb has already made the namespace for it but so far it hasn't been implemented yet. Maybe after this rebranding then we can implement the new system.


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LMgamer36
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That's one good idea. Looking at ya Chuck Quenano.


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Actually, there's also a possibility to keep the "CLG Wiki" name since only "Closing Logos Group" was trademarked after all (and the trademark has expired over a year ago anyway). However, I also liked the idea of replacing "Closing" with "Company". I mean, this wiki isn't only about closing logos since a long time ago. It currently reflects other COMPANY logos as well.


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With the BoD gone, maybe we could revive this idea? Particularly given it was Matt who unilaterally shut it down even as we were in the process of implementing it.

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I even left the templates and css undeleted in the hope that maybe a time would come when I could try it again. Perhaps that time is now.


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"Company Logos Group" to me sounds too general IMO. Since this wiki is only about production logos and IDs. I think Pingu's idea is nice. "PLW" or "PLID Wiki" (Production Logos and IDents Wiki) or something. Or perhaps "prodlogid"? "prodlog wiki"?


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"prodlogid" Absolutely not.


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"I'd personally have to say no on "Company Logos Group", since that abbreviates to CLG and that is obviously already taken." That's the point. By keeping the name as "CLG" we don't have to completely overhaul the site's branding (although I will say that a rebrand using the CLG name is in the works). Plus... MANY other companies have used the acronym "CLG", I think we're fine.


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I really like the idea of AVID, definitely hope we go with that. EDIT: Also on board with "PLW".

As for the "Editors Note" stuff, I agree that it should be removed on the main page. The nicknames can stay, as they don't really reference opinions, but maybe only choose a couple of popular ones. I.e., Viacom's 2nd Logo is pretty much exclusively called the "V" or "V of Doom", I have never seen it called "That V" before (correct me if I'm wrong). If there are no known Nicknames for a logo, then just omit it.

The Editors Note/Community Opinions could be moved to a discussion board under the page. One thing I used to really like about the WikiFoundry site, and one thing I wish this site would have, is the forum-style discussion boards under each page that were easy to reply to (i.e., there was a text box under each thread where you could simply write your own reply and hit send, the way Miraheze does it currently seems a little un-neccesarily complex, but I haven't used this site often recently so I may have missed something). I don't know how easy that would be to implement, but since there are Miraheze stewards on there, I would like to ask about how doable it is.

I also think the Community Opinions board could be a good way to potentially re-introduce the Cheesy Factor, since the only reason that was removed was because "it's a community opinion", and I agree with that. It definitely shouldn't be there with the logo's information but having it under a Community Opinions board would allow users to build rapport with one another on the site itself, rather than on an external platform such as Discord, and keeps community discussion about recent sightings of particular rare logos, logo hunting efforts, etc, all centralised and easily accessible.

We've been saying this quite a lot for the last few days - we're a community, and not a business! IMO, looking friendly and welcoming is key for this next chapter. We definitely should strive to look professional, absolutely, but this sites target audience and primary userbase are logo fans just like us. I feel like having some kind of community aspect is a must on this site going forward, and how it's executed should be a big talking point so we can strike the right balance between professionalism and a warm, friendly community.


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As some wikis have 'Encyclopedia (wiki's focus)ia' as their name, here are a few sugestions for the new name: Encyclopedia Logogia Encyclopedia Logolia Encyclopedia Logosia Encyclopedia Logoia


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As some wikis have 'Encyclopedia (wiki's focus)ia' as their name, here are a few sugestions for the new name: Encyclopedia Logogia Encyclopedia Logolia Encyclopedia Logosia Encyclopedia Logoia

They sound weird and the flow doesn't feel right. I would say no.


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I cast my non-existent vote on AVID. It actually describes this place better than "CLG Wiki", as that sounds like a wiki for the Yahoo Closing Logo Group.

Take our old friend "Lost Media Wiki" as an example, as you know, it's a website that documents the backstory and efforts to find pieces of lost media, so that name makes sense.

Audio Visual Identity Database would be fitting, as we are a database for audio visual identities for a variety of companies, of course.

Please go with that name, I would be extremely happy if it goes through.


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People of CLG Wiki, think of ideas for continuing the wiki, since this wiki WILL NEVER DIE.
I've been so used to the name Closing Logos Group, especially since I'm actively patrolling wikis like this, amongst others.

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I would go with either AVID or PLW, as these names show we cover more than just "closing logos", and it helps us get away from all the bad things the CLG name is associated with.

I'd go either way on the Youtube Channel idea. Sure, it would be up there with the big guys in logo content (like Pepsi9072/Logicsmash), but I'm not sure how often we'd upload and WHAT we'd upload. I'm sure we'll figure it out as the channel evolves.

And as a casual wiki viewer since around 2015, we are NOT lowering the age limit. Those Coppa and Miraheze laws exist for a reason. (Don't come after me; I am nearly 16, so I can be on here)


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I agree with Pantsmode's Parliament idea for the Wiki and its leadership, and also agree with HB's idea to bring back the infobox and description at the top of pages. It would establish better flow and allow for a rest-pit between clicking on a page and getting to the logos and can add context to a company's logo changes.

As the creator as the AVID name (known as AzureVelocity on Discord), I admittedly came up with the name in the middle of the night, tired and about to go to bed. I didn't intend it to be the name to be used as the replacement for CLG. I still think sticking with CLG (both Company Logos Group and Closing Logos Group) could present issues, mainly in the bad times of CLG, as well as possible issues with the former Board over the CLG's name, logo, and identity being used by a community they see as a knockoff product. I like Camenati's idea for the name (Production Logo Database), but also think that it could exclude idents and other identifying vanity cards and the like, and a new name should be inclusive. The problem is that finding such a name is difficult.

I don't have all the answers, I tried coming up with alternatives, but maybe this one can stick.

Motion Logo and Ident Archive (MLIA) or Motion Logo and Ident Database (MLID), given the primary focus of this wiki is motion logos and idents.


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I'm all for the AVID name or the two other ones Dreamcast mentioned. I feel like having a new name with the same acronym could give off a lingering effect considering the events that transpired here. I think a completely fresh and new name is needed.


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13 September 2022

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I'm going with AVID as well, and I've got some ideas for graphics.


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Xander G
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What kinds of ideas for graphics? Hopefully not the red, blue, and green.


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Pingu
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I support not having Red/Green/Blue in the new logo due to the combination being too obvious in the context of film and television.


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Here's something I've come up with. A very, very rough idea of what the logo could be if we use the AVID name. I don't expect this to be used, I think someone else could do a better one but I thought I would throw something on here.

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LMgamer36
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15 September 2022

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Looks like a 2000s company logo. We need something more unique.


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Poocian
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15 September 2022

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How about we rename the wiki to It's original name. "KRS Logos" the website that started CLG Wiki.


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I rather like the idea of AVID to be honest! Also, I have a question: if the site's focus is expanded beyond logos as suggested, what will be done with Company Bumpers? Will it be kept separate or reincorporated into this wiki?


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Cassie Grandstaff
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I think it should be reincorporated.


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SonicFan91
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I feel that the editor's notes should be renamed to "Legacy", and should explain a logo's legacy (of course) within pop culture (if any) or the logo community, instead of being an opinionated section.


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Example: (T.A.T. Communications Company)

Legacy: This logo is notorious within the logo community for it's extreme rarity and multiple hoax findings.

Short and sweet. Straight to the point. Unbiased (I hope).

I personally feel that this would be a step up from the editor's notes, which have been nothing but biased since it's conception.


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Example: (T.A.T. Communications Company)

Legacy: This logo is notorious within the logo community for it's extreme rarity and multiple hoax findings.

Short and sweet. Straight to the point. Unbiased (I hope).

I personally feel that this would be a step up from the editor's notes, which have been nothing but biased since it's conception.

I can get behind this idea, much better than Editor's Notes!


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SonicFan91
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I could test the waters with the Legacy section idea, but until permission is granted, I should hold off on it.


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While we're on the topic of changes to the page layout, Hb1290's info bar idea is an amazing idea that is a big step up from a layout which was almost the same since KRS Logos was created.

Also, separating captures and videos is a viable option for logos with multiple captures and/or videos, and can reduce clutter.

As for removing nicknames, if a logo has been referred to a nickname by the community as a whole (i.e. Viacom's "V of Doom"), we can keep those nicknames on the page. Have you ever heard someone call the 1976 Viacom logo "That V" before?


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I've always disliked unofficial Nicknames, and I agree that they should be significantly cut back. Official logo names (eg THX and Dolby; some of the ones I've found myself like the Filmnation logos being "Funbursts" and the creature in one of the Rainbow S.p.A. logos being The Rainbow Maker) can stay where they are, but we should change it from "Nickname" to just "Name" or "Official Name". Popular Nicknames, such as V of Doom, S From Hell, and Canadians referring to the CBC logo as the Exploding Pizza, can be mentioned in the Editor's Note. I have no issues with the Editor's Note system.

To get an idea of how bad the Nickname situation has gotten, look at all the questionable ones I cut from Walt Disney Pictures the other day, and look at the giant walls of Nicknames that still remain. I wanted to cut more than that, but I didn't want to look like a vandal, y'know.

And I strongly support company infoboxes. The brief time we did try to roll them out before they were abruptly stopped I really liked the idea, and I was upset when Matthew Mayfield forced us out of it.


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Contributing to the unofficial nickname talk, if sound system trailers have an official nickname (i.e. Broadway, Stand Alone, City), it should be the only nickname for it. I can't tell you how many times people still refer to the aforementioned DTS trailer as "The Digital Experience", despite recently discovered to not be the official name, that'd be like if I started calling Broadway "The Audience is Listening".

On a side note, the editor's notes could remain on certain logos (i.e. the 1999 Sega Films logo), in which case, my proposed "Legacy" section could take it's original role, since some editor's notes are just reworks of the original scare/cheesy factors, in fact, some pages actually RETAIN the factors.


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Back on the topic of nicknames, I feel that the (company name)'s (relative) nicknames shouldn't be on this wiki, because really, who calls the PITS Films logo "TAT's Brother"?


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Poocian
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17 September 2022

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Looks like a 2000s company logo. We need something more unique.

Does This seem more unique?

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LMgamer36
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17 September 2022

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Here's my own take on the AVID logo. Taking inspiration from the old Orion logo and ESPN logo.

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Poocian
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17 September 2022

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But do you like mine?


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NancerCLG
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17 September 2022

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Honestly... no I don't like it. There's several fakes in the background and you put the TR3X logo in it.


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17 September 2022

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I'm liking LMgamer's design so far.


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17 September 2022

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I personally think that Closing Logos Group should be renamed to the Media Logo Database, but also think the admins who left wouldn't bring the CLG name with them so I think the name will remain. But we do need a new board of admins!


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SonicFan91
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17 September 2022

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There's several fakes in the background and you put the TR3X logo in it.

I didn't notice it until you pointed it out. Wow.


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SonicFan91
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17 September 2022

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On the topic of a new color scheme, I think an orange-gold gradient would be a nice refresh from the RGB color scheme that Matthew would most likely use for his CLG Wiki clone (the CLG stands for "chumbucket logo group").


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Returning to the topic of my proposed "Legacy" section, it would make more sense if it were under the Editor's Notes, similar to the "Quality Control" section (see 3-G Home Video).

Example: (20th Century Pictures)

Editor's Note: ・Legacy: This is well known for being the predecessor to one of the most well-known film logos of all time.


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If we do AVD (Audio Visual Database) as the name over the identity one as suggested, I was thinking the wiki should cover more than just logos, covering further analysis of any "media" how they were developed like we're doing we logos under the current brand, and first used, including Sesame Street segments (not counting Street scenes, like Transylvania 12345 shot at the Birdland), for example, the segment with Elmo demonstrating vertical directions (the one written by Sonia Manzano) on a purple gradient background where he finds himself upside down on the top of the screen angle, which then lets go of the bars hanging him so he could drop himself, and accidentally hits a piano on land injured, then faints afterwards.

EDIT: Here's how the layout would be as to the reference from what I stated.

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Cassie Grandstaff
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Sounds like a great idea.


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Crazy Muzzarino
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Sounds like a great idea.

There's one thing why this should be, is for the wiki to compete with the trash CLG wiki Matthew, Shadeed and the other troublemaking admins from last week.


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I am scared...


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Crazy Muzzarino
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17 September 2022

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There's several fakes in the background and you put the TR3X logo in it.

It's been deleted.


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No. That is too broad and makes the purpose of the site unclear and all over the place. The way you proposed that articles on sketches should be on the site makes it confusing, especially with this new version excluding live-action sketches for some reason. In other words, these exceptions will be very vague. Not to mention, including media like sketches will not complement the established format of this site too well. And besides, other wikis have done articles on these pieces of media before so why visit this site when you can go to the Muppet Wiki to read information about it?


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Cassie Grandstaff
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Off-topic but how the hell does this happen 💀 How.png


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Cassie Grandstaff
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No. That is too broad and makes the purpose of the site unclear and all over the place. The way you proposed that articles on sketches should be on the site makes it confusing, especially with this new version excluding live-action sketches for some reason. In other words, these exceptions will be very vague. Not to mention, including media like sketches will not complement the established format of this site too well. And besides, other wikis have done articles on these pieces of media before so why visit this site when you can go to the Muppet Wiki to read information about it?

That's a pretty long way to say you hate new ideas but ok


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Here are further ideas for the new and improved Editor's Notes.

There should be 4 categories for these new Editor's Notes. General (i.e. Sega Films), the previously talked about Legacy, Quality Control (i.e. 3-G Home Video), and Missing-in-Action, which summarizes attempts to find a certain logo (i.e. DTS Waterdrop or TAT Communications).

And of course, they have to be less biased than the original Editor's Notes, and to an extent, the Scare/Cheesy Factors (Cheesy Factors were included alongside Scare Factors as some logos were deemed cheesy for seemingly no reason, like the 1992 Central Park Media logo).


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Poocian
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Honestly... no I don't like it. There's several fakes in the background and you put the TR3X logo in it.
On the topic of a new color scheme, I think an orange-gold gradient would be a nice refresh from the RGB color scheme

Is this Better/Good?

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Also I credited LMgamer36 for the logo in the image's description.


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After some discussion on the new Discord, I've come up with a proposed amendment to the "No creating blank pages" in hopes of further combating unfinished pages on this wiki, because hoo boy, there's A LOT on here. Any feedback on this is very much welcome! Proposed rule.png


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Poocian
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18 September 2022

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User:NancerCLG Do you like the newer version of that image I made?


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LMgamer36
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18 September 2022

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That's actually cool.


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That's a pretty long way to say you hate new ideas but ok

It's not hating new ideas, it's that Muzzarino's idea is changing our wiki's scope too much. We are supposed to be a logo wiki.


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It's not hating new ideas, it's that Muzzarino's idea is changing our wiki's scope too much. We are supposed to be a logo wiki.

To put it this way, that this is an addition to the scope to make it an audio visual database, for anything media, video game captures, and whatnot, like how some user's suggest Windows screens to be added back, and not a replacement, nor removal of the focus on logos, because yes, we need this wiki to help others be able to find their favorite logo they miss through the years they've seen it on.


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How about a middle ground? TV show segments may be too much, but I feel that commercial logos and main-on-end film titles (like what they show at the end of some films before the credits to state the name of the movie you just watched) fit the scope of the wiki. They too are audiovisual design. The latter are even frequently made by the same design studios (eg Devastudios, Imaginary Forces, Filmograph) as film logos are.


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Cassie Grandstaff
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How about a middle ground? TV show segments may be too much, but I feel that commercial logos and main-on-end film titles (like what they show at the end of some films before the credits to state the name of the movie you just watched) fit the scope of the wiki. They too are audiovisual design. The latter are even frequently made by the same design studios (eg Devastudios, Imaginary Forces, Filmograph) as film logos are.

Great idea


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Metronome
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I'd be down with it too.


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Cassie Grandstaff
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18 September 2022

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Here's my idea for an AVID logo Avidlogoidea.png


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AlmightyKingPrawn
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Cassie's is my favorite AVID logo so far.


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Here's my idea for an AVID logo Avidlogoidea.png

That's an awesome idea!


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TemaGub2002
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19 September 2022

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Now it's not just a format change?


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A message from the creator of this thread:

Hello! As you may know, i am the creator of this thread, about what the new CLG Wiki could look like. Recently, i got heard of a report for me being underage, and instanly logged-out of my account. I think the lower age requirement was a stupid idea of my part, and i would keep the age to 13 unless you have consent from your parents, or just keep the same age requirement as before. My parents are fine with me doing this stuff, so technically, i can go on this platform. Even the local police force cant do anything. I hope this gets my point. since i created a new account.

Greats Tidings

Max


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Okay... my first time on this wiki, and I've been convinced to put my logo idea for AVID on the wiki itself. My logo idea is actually going to come in three versions.

Here's the first version, which would be used when set on light-colored backgrounds (like white, for example):

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Next, the second version, which would be used when set on a cream-colored background:

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And finally, the third version, which would be used on dark-colored backgrounds:

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Speaking of, I initially supported orange and gold at first, but I decided on a different color palette that I think could be used, like cream and brown (black and white could be used as secondary colors). Anyway, what do you think of my logo idea itself?


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My parents are fine with me doing this stuff, so technically, i can go on this platform. Even the local police force cant do anything. I hope this gets my point. since i created a new account.

Miraheze is not interested in processing minor's data so even if you do have consent from your parents, you aren't allowed on. The laws for processing minors data are too much and there's no benefit for Miraheze to have to go through hoops just because someone under 13 wants to use the service.


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NancerCLG
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Yeah... no. I'm sorry but that doesn't fit the look of the wiki at all.


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Crazy Muzzarino
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Here's my best take for the logo, like some store brand uses from the early 2000s, though similar to the previous idea on this discussion, usually hard to make a cool/nostaglic logo.

It's out of the eurostile font, but bolder.

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...figured I'd submit my take on AVID. it's based around lines and stuff and uses "partially complete" triangles to simulate the "A" and "V". A tidbit: I had to use my photo editing software's guide feature to make the triangles with a brush tool since trying to do such without guides results in a triangle with the wrong proportions or longer on one side.


Avid.png (is bigger on the actual image page)


And for the guide: Avidgraph.png

I legit tried for a clean-like look with minimal clutter, as well as still being.... flat. Ehhh I dunno lol.

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Also, because I might get accusations of plagiarism... I didn't know of Cassie's work before replying. I didn't see her work until I visited this page to reply with my own design. I might get MASSIVE amounts of hate sent my way simply because of similarities between mine and Cassie's work. If I truly did plagiarize, I'm sorry. Still though, I did not know of Cassie's work until now. I'm just throwing this out there. This was originally posted to ENunn's server at around 10PM, long before I heard of Cassie's work. Even then, I'll probably get heat for plagiarism. Just throwing this out there.


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Here's my best take for the logo, like some store brand uses from the early 2000s, though similar to the previous idea on this discussion, usually hard to make a cool/nostaglic logo.

It's out of the eurostile font, but bolder.

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Yeah... no.


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Here's a alt version of the same picture I made but with User:Crazy Muzzarino's Logo

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Any thoughts?


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Okay, then. Next idea of mine: same logo, different colors, and different background, inspired by Poocian and suggested to me by Luke2505 TV on ENunn's Discord server.
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Okay, then. Next idea of mine: same logo, different colors, and different background, inspired by Poocian and suggested to me by Luke2505 TV on ENunn's Discord server.
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This version I personally like quite a lot. It keeps with the old theme of the CLG Wiki while providing a fresh new look at the same time.


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TV show segments may be too much, but I feel that commercial logos and main-on-end film titles (like what they show at the end of some films before the credits to state the name of the movie you just watched) fit the scope of the wiki. They too are audiovisual design.
We did have a commercial logos wiki back during the WF days (it was closed down by DLC iirc).
Maybe we could cover commercial logos with this new rebranding. We could also cover startups/GUIs and stuff like phone startup logos, I mean we have startup logos for game consoles so why not for OS?

Movie titles I don't think so, since there's a lot to cover and IMO not really related to production logos nor idents.


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We did have a commercial logos wiki back during the WF days (it was closed down by DLC iirc). Maybe we could cover commercial logos with this new rebranding. We could also cover startups/GUIs and stuff like phone startup logos, I mean we have startup logos for game consoles so why not for OS? Movie titles I don't think so, since there's a lot to cover and IMO not really related to production logos nor idents.

All for this. I also don't think it would be a good idea to do movie titles or anything non-related to moving logos as I don't believe the plan was to ever deviate from just logos. I appreciate people giving out new ideas, but I'm sure there are already people documenting stuff like that anyways in those respective communities and it would basically be pointless for us to do such a thing.


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Crazy Muzzarino
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All for this. I also don't think it would be a good idea to do movie titles or anything non-related to moving logos as I don't believe the plan was to ever deviate from just logos. I appreciate people giving out new ideas, but I'm sure there are already people documenting stuff like that anyways in those respective communities and it would basically be pointless for us to do such a thing.

We could as well do interstitials, like Muppet Time segments that aired on Nick Jr., including those involving Muppets like the singing Do Re Mi Monster, the frog scouts, extremes (Alien Opera), those pigs (Randy and Andy; both originally Kirby and Jeffy), the silly bears, Huffy Monster, and Scary Mary, oh and btw, cover the Undercover Rover segments as well.


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Buzzfan120
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I don't think so. That would just overcomplicate things. Besides, as stated above, Muppet Wiki has already got all that stuff, so it's best to stick to just production logos.


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I'm confused about the new CLG Wiki. Since joining November 2021 (after my unnecessary ban) I contributed (a lot) to the wiki and stuck to those contributions. Will we be able to port our contributions over to the new wiki or will we have to start fresh and keep working our way up to an admin. New post coming about my new admin ideas soon.


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21 September 2022

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If the AVID rebrand goes through, we should bring back commercial logos under THIS wiki rather than a separate wiki, with the obvious reason being the name.

And who knows, we could merge Company Bumpers with this wiki and have operating system boot screens return to make this wiki larger than it is currently.

As for film titles, I personally have to say no, as this is more for corporations rather than films.


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Buzzfan120
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21 September 2022

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Yeah. It's best to stick to just production logos (and bumpers, if we merge with Company Bumpers), because including other stuff would just overcomplicate things and defeat the whole purpose of this wiki.


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ELH
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21 September 2022

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Here's my idea for an AVID logo:

AvidLogoIdea.png

I know it's a little basic but I think it works quite well. Also, while it does look somewhat similar to LMgamer's design, I did actually make it before seeing that design.


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LMgamer36
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22 September 2022

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Here's my idea for an AVID logo:
AvidLogoIdea.png
I know it's a little basic but I think it works quite well. Also, while it does look somewhat similar to LMgamer's design, I did actually make it before seeing that design.

That's what I'm going to originally include, an "A" instead of an "Λ". Nevertheless looks less than an "ND".


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CalvinWilkerson
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21 September 2022

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Maybe we could cover commercial logos with this new rebranding. We could also cover startups/GUIs and stuff like phone startup logos, I mean we have startup logos for game consoles so why not for OS?

Great idea m8


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AVIDFan2
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21 September 2022

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I agree with Buzzfan120. It should be just production logos (and possibly company bumpers) and nothing else.


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CalvinWilkerson
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21 September 2022

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I agree with Buzzfan120. It should be just production logos (and possibly company bumpers) and nothing else.

That's too restrictive


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AVIDFan2
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21 September 2022

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Sorry.


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AVIDFan2
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21 September 2022

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IMO, I don't want commercial logos.


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CalvinWilkerson
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22 September 2022

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Why not?


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LMgamer36
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22 September 2022

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Look at Sony. Aside from their movie logo it is also featured at the end of their commercials, just like Samsung and the like.


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Agent Isai
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22 September 2022

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A vote on rebranding is now taking place at Talk:Main Page#Request for Comments: Rebranding the wiki


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PBSKidsSchoolOfficial
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22 September 2022

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My other ideas:

I like the "Logobase" idea, but we should just extend it to "The Production Logobase" (TPL). Merging the Company Bumpers and the now-defunct Dream Logos Wiki into the Logobase wiki. Bring back the Cheesy and Scare Factors (as Cheesy Elements and Scare Factors). Like with Logopedia, we should have print descriptions for logos not sourced from movies, shows nor games (like resterants and stores). The main colours should be like CYMK (Cyan, Magenta and Yellow) (Colourblocks leaks made me taught this) The poster at the top should all be famous currently-used logos (like the 2022 Disney logo, the 2012 Paramount logo and the 2021 Warner Bros. Pictures logo). AVID almost sounds like AVOID as in AVOID THIS WIKI.


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Setrki Desu
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22 September 2022

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A(n otherwise unnecessary) logo concept based upon what I like to call a "wild idea".

Post clg avid nasa like logo v1.png


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CalvinWilkerson
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22 September 2022

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A(n otherwise unnecessary) logo concept based upon what I like to call a "wild idea". Post clg avid nasa like logo v1.png

A little too NASA-like for me.


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PBSKidsSchoolOfficial
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22 September 2022

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I'll might ditch The Production Logobase and just stick with the AVID idea. We also should have the custom URL back (call it "avid.org"). Maybe also we should merge the Company Bumpers, Dream Logos (now gone) and a few other wikis with this wiki. Logos like Universal Pictures and Metro Goldwyn Mayer Pictures should have both the "Fan Made" and the "Fan Made Variations" subsections. A Clip-On library for each home entertainment company (like Walt Disney with it's Coming Soon, Now Available, Feature Presentation and Sneak Peeks Menu) instead of seperate pages. Spam edits from official logos will be moved to either Fan Made sections while we should change the CYM (used for CN) into other ones. Let's also bring back the templates and cover other media other than logos (like the Sesame Street segments).


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CalvinWilkerson
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22 September 2022

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I'll might ditch The Production Logobase and just stick with the AVID idea. We also should have the custom URL back (call it "avid.org").

I agree

Maybe also we should merge the Company Bumpers, Dream Logos (now gone) and a few other wikis with this wiki.

We should only merge CB in my opinion

Logos like Universal Pictures and Metro Goldwyn Mayer Pictures should have both the "Fan Made" and the "Fan Made Variations" subsections.

No

A Clip-On library for each home entertainment company (like Walt Disney with it's Coming Soon, Now Available, Feature Presentation and Sneak Peeks Menu) instead of seperate pages. Spam edits from official logos will be moved to either Fan Made sections while we should change the CYM (used for CN) into other ones.

Bro what does this even mean

Let's also bring back the templates and cover other media other than logos (like the Sesame Street segments).

TV show segments are way too extreme for this wiki tbh


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PBSKidsSchoolOfficial
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22 September 2022

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Calvin, I already edited the Fanon subsections of Walt Disney Pictures. Clip-Ons means these messages appearing in-between trailers and/or movie/logo. Also, I would like only CB now, but Commercial logos (Like Empire Today and Goldfish) should be covered on this wiki, too.


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Metronome
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22 September 2022

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Just because you want a fanon logo subsection doesn't mean you're automatically allowed to do it lol.


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LMgamer36
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23 September 2022

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The Dream Logos Wiki is your friend.


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Pudsp
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23 September 2022

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I have a logo concept for the AVID name change that I'd like to propose. Lemme know your thoughts. Pudsp AVID LOGO CONCEPT 1.png Pudsp AVID LOGO CONCEPT 2.png


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Crazy Muzzarino
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23 September 2022

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I have a logo concept for the AVID name change that I'd like to propose. Lemme know your thoughts.

I have a better logo, yet my second make over the previous one, making this one memorable/nostalgic.

AVID Take 2.png

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HavocMan2000
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23 September 2022

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Honestly, I agree with the AVID rebrand since it's a database of old and new audio and visual brand identities, or logos, from around the world. I personally like ShadowNinja's concept since it closely resembles the current wiki brand.


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Pudsp
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23 September 2022

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I have a better logo, yet my second make over the previous one, making this one memorable/nostalgic.
AVID Take 2.png

Better than mine? Sure... next time, at least know how to talk civilly if you want to share your generic design without turning heads.


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Metronome
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23 September 2022

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I don't think he meant your's lol. I think he was mentioning an older one he did.

Here's my best take for the logo, like some store brand uses from the early 2000s, though similar to the previous idea on this discussion, usually hard to make a cool/nostaglic logo.

It's out of the eurostile font, but bolder.

AVID Storebrand style.png

Edit: NVM he did quote your post. Woops...


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Crazy Muzzarino
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23 September 2022

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I don't think he meant your's lol. I think he was mentioning an older one he did.

Come to think that logos nowadays are simplified, and we need this wiki to be memorable with a fancy logo you would want to go back to ever again, and get to see old logo captures from the actual year.


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Pudsp
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23 September 2022

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That doesn't make any sense. A cheap Y2K logo does not fit the massive database of unique logos from several decades. A simple logo is the best design choice for its branding, and it can stand for much longer than a logo that heavily relies on a design trend. Hell, Y2K logos can be done right, even today. It is just, your logos do not sit right with the atmosphere of the database.


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PuzonCLG
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23 September 2022

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Come to think that logos nowadays are simplified

Oversimplification is not real

and we need this wiki to be memorable with a fancy logo you would want to go back to ever again

Well in that case can it at least LOOK like Y2K? I threw my hat into the ring.

Puz AVID Y2k.png
and get to see old logo captures from the actual year.

We don't just cover Y2K shit anyways so this doesn't matter lol.


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LMgamer36
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23 September 2022

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goofy ahh word


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Zachary MB
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23 September 2022

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I guess I’ll show my logo concept for the CLG Rebrand because why not? I was gonna add the full name at the bottom of the logo but I didn’t know which font would look better with it so I just left it out. But other than that, if you could tell me your thoughts on my concept, that’d be nice!

ZMB AVID Logo Concept.jpeg

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Trevor807
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23 September 2022

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ShadowNinja's version with the red/green/blue background is my favorite of those, personally. Though I also like the gold/brown version (I personally like adding a whole new color scheme to the table to further distance this wiki from Matthew's CLG clone).

In terms of features, I also support bringing back company infoboxes.


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Here is my new AVID logo idea

My AVID idea.png

A bouncy light hearted logo for all your bouncy light hearted logo needs


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Crazy Muzzarino
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23 September 2022

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A bouncy light hearted logo for all your bouncy light hearted logo needs.

That's kind of like a children's, classic video game kind of design.


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That's kind of like a children's, classic video game kind of design.
Is it good or bad?

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Crazy Muzzarino
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23 September 2022

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Is it good or bad?

The brand name above text is low resolution, and the text beneath is aliased.

Both logos, mine (from how I designed it) and yours are childhood/memorable logos from the 2000s.


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Crazy Muzzarino
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23 September 2022

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With Kimberly font, just made a concept idea with the styling of both logo and font.

AVID concept R5.png
AVID concept museum slogan.png

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Pudsp
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24 September 2022

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Alrighty. After multiple arguments and sacrifices, I made an updated version of my logo concept! Now you can actually read it as AVID.

Pudsp AVID LOGO 3.png

Pudsp AVID LOGO 3 TXT.png

And here are some border variations. RGB and rainbow.

Pudsp AVID LOGO 3RGB.png Pudsp AVID LOGO 3RYGB.png

Pudsp AVID LOGO 3RGB TXT.png


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Logohub
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24 September 2022

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I like ShadowNinja and Pudsp's logo. Setri's also looks nice.

Nothing wrong with Muzzarino's design but I feel like it won't age well IMO


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NancerCLG
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24 September 2022

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Well, if everyone else is doing it...

AVID_and_CBD.png


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Timpbskid23
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24 September 2022

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My poorly drawn logo is made, but it'll not be here.


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Here we go, my second AVID Idea.

My avid idea 2.png My avid idea 2 print.png

Made in the witless font (Same font as Spiffy Pictures), this one is a step-up from my last idea. Outlined similar to that of the DHX or WGBH logos.


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ELH
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24 September 2022

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Here's an updated version of my AVID logo:

AvidLogoIdea2.png
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